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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: May 31, 2006 - 08:59 PM
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Hello, this is truly interesting reading. I have bolo who's pattern looks that of a sandfire, but his color changes he is a dark grey and in the natural sun light, he will become a really light flourescent green tint.
Thanks for all you do Cheri!
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: May 31, 2006 - 09:01 PM
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Sorry if the picture is too big...  
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: May 31, 2006 - 10:06 PM
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| MOSt dragon patterns look like that and it has nothing to do with being from the Sandfire Ranch or their Dragons. Weis Dragons, Dunne Dragons, Dachui's Dragons AlphaDragonZ Dragons etc all look the same. People just seem to have a tendency to add Sandfire to all dragons, although the majority have no relationship to them |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: May 31, 2006 - 10:15 PM
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| That is so interesting... So basically it is hard to tell? Looking at Bolo, could you tell where he is from. |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: May 31, 2006 - 10:48 PM
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No, sorry.. rarely can you ever tell that....there are a few lines that you can recognise the line as they have unique traits. I had someone visit out house this weekend and when I saw one of their dragons I thought it looks famailiar, when they stated the dragons age and situation how they came about getting it, I knew who the breeder was and also had photo's of the dragons father.
We imported some babies a few years ago, and some of those people can recognise as they had a unique face, eyes and patterns on them also (not all of them did)
I think Kevin Dunne's Sunburst line is fairly easy to recognize dragons that come from that line (those are also where the citrus come from), Zilla X Goldfroggys are sometimes easy to recognize as they aslo have big builds with fleshy chins and some have the rasied up eyes of the mother and of course you can tell the transleucent and those mostly all orginated with Sandfire ranch,
But most dragons you can not tell by looking at them what line or breeder they come from |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Oct 21, 2006 - 09:05 PM
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So is Sandfire a line? or is it yellows, reds, and oranges mixed? thanks!
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Oct 21, 2006 - 10:20 PM
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yellows, reds, and oranges mixed are all color that appear in nature, it has nothing to do with sandfire ranch
That is a breeder farm that bred yellow to yellow and red to red to get more vivid colors, like many othter breeder also did or do, its what that farm called their dragon and what many others in error call theirs which did not come from that breeder.
I know someone that just produced the most unique pattern color of a dragon I have ever seen, and she only has one of them.....I will see If I can get her to come and post a the photo, the dragon actually has two tones of stripped colors going down its body with several stripes right into the and under the side spines |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Oct 21, 2006 - 10:24 PM
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So Bloods and Flames are actually reds? same with Sunburst too right? thanks!
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Oct 21, 2006 - 10:57 PM
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No, a Blood is an acutal breeding line, so is a Red Flame and a Sunburst is a yellow line that Kevin Dunne developed over serveral generation of breeding a certain color of yellow......... that is also what is called citrus today.
A sandfire is a dragon from Sandfire ranch that they breed for yellows or red. or in some cases mixed those, it is not any red dragon or any yellow dragon. and it does not mean it is better or worse that Joes' common gold.
That is one o the problems. a new breeder comes along and decided to name his Red Flame X Sandfire a Gerogai Melon and then you do not know that dragons genetics anymore, actually , novice breeders have really trashed the breeding lines in the US badly! |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Oct 22, 2006 - 05:05 PM
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waow! thanks.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2006 - 06:19 PM
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Here is Hope, the dragon Cheri is referring to.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2006 - 07:25 PM
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I know someone that just produced the most unique pattern color of a dragon I have ever seen, and she only has one of them.....I will see If I can get her to come and post a the photo, the dragon actually has two tones of stripped colors going down its body with several stripes right into the and under the side spines
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That's her, she not only have these awesome stripes, she is almost patternless, very gorgerous girl and I am curious how she will turn out as she is only a few mounts old |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Jan 15, 2007 - 08:08 PM
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| that was very interesting. I had gone on the classified section to look at photos of morphs and types of beardies because I have no sites to go to and it all got very confusing, and many listed as sandfires looked completly different and these are the normal sandfires. Now I know why! Does it make a difference if they say thay can produce a certificate with breeding lines? |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 03:43 PM
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okay so i've been looking like mad for pictures of all the different morphs and have been very unsuccessful but i want to figure out what Nonamis could possibly be  does anyone know of a site i can go to and see a good amount of the types out there??? |
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Post subject: RE: History of...
Posted: Mar 18, 2007 - 06:34 PM
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WHy not post a photo of your dragon?
Unless you have a rare morph, what you have is a common. which is what the majority of dragons are. you can not look at photos ans see what yours is. You need to know the lines that it came from, that is not something you can guess at from lookinig at photos. That is where so many people in error call their dragons Sandfiires. That is where another breeder and I ran into what I thought was the strangest lady ever to breed and sell dragons. She was at the reptile show in Tampa a few years ago and was selling dragons as sandfires, now these dragons were the dullest browns I had ever seen and NOTHING like what Sandfire Ranch produces so we asked them about them.......... she named them that as she said they looked like ones she saw in reptile magazines!!!! THey ahd no Sandfire lines in them at all, just he looking at a photo
So there are a lot of people in Tampa area, that bought dragons from someone there with wizard in their name, who think they have Sandfires and what they have a common dragons, which is not bad at all.... but they were misrepresented to them and they in turn will misrepresent them to others should they ever breed them.
A certificate means nothing from what I have seen, the only place I know giving out "certificates" does not even know where her dragons come from, so in that case, the certificates are make up and if it's the one I am thinking of, not only is there a lot of inbreeding in them, she claims to have developed a line that existed and was called that many years before she herself ever owned a dragon, let alone breed one. Most people selling dragons can maybe tell you the parents of the offsrping, but nothing beyond that and MANY times on FaunaClassifieds.com you will see people being exposed for claiming their animals are from a certain line, and the owner of that denying they ever sold any to them.
I remember once when someme claimed to have bought a baby from Mystical-Dragons and had it for sale as an adult and the owner from there coming on and pointing out when that dragon has to have been hatched based on its age, he had never evern breed any dragons yet, let alone hatched and sold one!!
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