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Post subject: LIVE Pinkies.
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 09:38 AM
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| I have a full grown Beardie.How many live pinkies and how offten? |
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Post subject: RE: LIVE Pinkies.
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 10:53 AM
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| Never, Pinkies are extreamly bad for bearded dragons and can cause fatty liver disease. |
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Post subject: RE: LIVE Pinkies.
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 10:55 AM
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| Doesn't matter how how old they are, I don't even see why you would want to. I would suggest silk worms instead of pinkies Bearded Dragons love them. |
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Post subject: RE: LIVE Pinkies.
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 12:49 PM
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 09:33 PM
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| Well, you can use them with a gravid female. To help her support those eggs. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 09:45 PM
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| KCush767 wrote: | | Well, you can use them with a gravid female. To help her support those eggs. |
Actually for the most part this has been debunked because far better feeders have been found with less potential harm.
Now, to explain WHY pinkies are bad:
Firstly, FAT. Pinkies have been documented as being high in fat and this causes fatty liver, which is a high risk factor for death.
Second: The bones in Pinkies can cause an impaction, which most people know and understand the risk of. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 09:50 PM
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| Ok, but I'm just calling on my own, and other breeders I know, experiences. I personally have never had a problem. Like I said they are a great way to fatten up Gravid Females. I respect your opinion. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 07:59 AM
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We respect your opinion too. It's good that you've never had a problem, but there are healthier ways...
In any case, the point is pretty moot, since I don't think Ryu was asking about a gravid female. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 08:27 AM
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| Your right she wasn't, she was asking about all adult bearded dragons. I gave my answer as, I would only use them with gravid females. So I don't see why you said the point was moot. But yes there are better ways to go about it, it just cost a little bit more moola. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 08:53 AM
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She was asking about her adult dragon, not all adult dragons (or gravid dragons).
I said it was moot because you kept bringing it back to gravid females, and the thread isn't about a gravid female. It's about whether or not pinkies should be fed to adult beardies, and in all cases (even gravid females) it is no longer the recommended method.
If everyone is telling her that pinkies are not a good feeder, and you come in and say "well, they are good for gravid females", that can confuse a person into thinking they must not be all that bad. You never said you would "only" feed them to gravid females or conceded that they aren't an ideal feeder until your last post (perhaps you thought this was easily assumed, but unfortunately it's not), so I appreciate the clarification.
I'm really not trying to argue, just trying to keep the discussion on the right track. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 09:14 AM
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If I say they are good for gravid females......it saying only use them with gravid females. Now I would understand your point if I said, yes they are good for adult dragons. But when I only say gravid females, then you can't become confused about it. The discussion is about are pinkies ok for adult bearded dragons. A gravid female is an adult bearded dragon. The topic is still on track. And I don't get your first sentence. She is talking about her adult bearded dragon, and then you say not all adults..........It doesn't matter whether she asked about one dragon. It still pertains to any adult bearded dragon, correct.
Oh and you said agrue. Are you already getting mad. I mean I thought a forums were around so people could get, and share experiences and information. I don't see why people get mad when someone else disagrees with them. Just to let you know after this post is long gone, I will have no hard feelings toward you. No matter the outcome of this discussion. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 09:30 AM
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I'm not mad at all, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. I said I'm NOT trying to argue because I thought there was a chance you might take it personally when I called your point moot and went on to debate it. It's hard to understand the emotions behind other people's posts, so I just wanted it to be clear that I was NOT arguing with you, just discussing the points. As moderators, we have to be a little more careful how our comments are received. All I was trying to do originally by saying it's moot was take it off that area of discussion, but unfortunately it looks like it backfired.
We will have to agree to disagree about whether or not the gravid female point was relevant. If I was asking a question about the nutritional requirements of my adult dragons, and someone answered me by telling the nutritional requirements for gravid females, that really doesn't help me at all since I don't have any gravid females. All gravid females are adults, but not all adults are gravid females. Since they do have different nutritional requirements, it doesn't do me a lick of good to know what's good for them unless I have one. So I don't see how telling Ryu that pinkies are good for gravid females will in any way help her decide whether or not she should feed them to her beardie.
Also, in my opinion, if a less experienced person sees someone say that pinkies are good for gravid females, that could easily lead them to think, "well then they can't be that bad then, maybe I'll try it just for fun!" I know it's silly, but I've been around the herp community long enough to see this type of reasoning way too much. Like I said, "(perhaps you thought this was easily assumed, but unfortunately it's not)". There is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding when it comes to the care of these lizards, so yes, people CAN become confused.
So if someone isn't asking about a gravid female, I'm not even going to open that door. Especially since I personally wouldn't recommend pinkies for gravid females, either. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 01:34 PM
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On the point of a young inexperienced person trying pinkies for the first time... (and their beardies too)
On another board a young teenager read that pinkies are a good treat for adult dragons, so he got two, one for both his adults and tried to feed them. The female ignored the pinkey at first. But soon became annoyed with it took it into its mouth, thrashed around till it died and left it there on the floor.
The male did the same, but after thrashing it to death and ripping it in half it only ate one of the halves.
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Posted: Apr 02, 2008 - 07:32 PM
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Posted: Apr 02, 2008 - 09:55 PM
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| I'm not sure how many because I haven't gotten to ordering hornworms yet but I know many people who do feed them to their beardies. |
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